(bows deeply) @TROLLHAMMER - Thank you for the sublimation. And just because I am like a badger when it comes to information; doesn't mean I should forget my courtesies. Sorry. My GrandMother raised me better than that ! @EMBALA - Thank you for the visuals. And you have Always done your best by me. Sometimes a little more. @MrsGRIZZLEY. I am not good with guessing - being more of a B&W kinda gal. But that does seem closest so far. If Wendy and Richard know the exact size - they are keeping the info "close to the chest"; but it has to be somewhere. Those two are just too well organized for it Not to have been answered at some time - heh ? . .