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The Baker!

Kathleen

Oh, come on, someone had to do it.

I love the baker. She's sweet, plump, and hell, she bakes. She's practically my dream girl.

Nowth

I thought you were making some sort of quirky Tori Amos reference!

Baker Baker
Baking a cake
Make me a day
Make me whole again
And I wonder
What's in a day
What's in your cake this time

Foxeye

Awesome, Kathleen. Glad to see another fan of the Fresh Baked Bread lady. I discovered another shot of her the other day that I'll have to dig out again...really surprised me to see her again.

lunakat

eeek!

Viva the lone, plump elf!

Trollbabe

I always liked the reference to her "fresh-baked" bread being stolen. It's akin to someone getting stabbed, falling down and crying out, "My artery! My femoral artery!"

So what was in the bread? Is it corn or gluten based? Quick bread or leavened?

Lady_Door

The original elves weren't all supposed to be thin. Shenshen was supposed to be fat. LOL

Gazelle

Blasphemy!!!!!!!

What? Where do you read this?

crescent1325

i dont think fat is that. Pleasently plump is more of the word. yeah, but if you look at the first few comics a few of the sun villagers got a uh..few extra curves goin on...

PCoquelin

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crescent1325

i dont think fat is that. Pleasently plump is more of the word. yeah, but if you look at the first few comics a few of the sun villagers got a uh..few extra curves goin on...



:D
... and if you get a look at "the Elfquest you never saw", as was stated in the Gatherum, weeelll, it was more like "pig-quest" than elfquest !
Now, I shut up or someone wicked will surely post some of those pix...
:idea: :arrow: :arrow: Wink

innie

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PCoquelin

[quote:a702fce258="crescent1325"]i dont think fat is that. Pleasently plump is more of the word. yeah, but if you look at the first few comics a few of the sun villagers got a uh..few extra curves goin on...



:D
... and if you get a look at "the Elfquest you never saw", as was stated in the Gatherum, weeelll, it was more like "pig-quest" than elfquest !
Now, I shut up or someone wicked will surely post some of those pix...
:idea: :arrow: :arrow: Wink[/quote:a702fce258]

The first version of Shenshen looked more like a troll than an elf Grin

Trollbabe

Lady Door writes, "The original elves weren't all supposed to be thin. Shenshen was supposed to be fat."

She probably was, in the Sun Village. In a pre-industrial society, being thin or fat depends a great deal upon the food supply. At first, the Sun Folk had no natural enemies, aside from occasional horselike creatures. They were agrarian rather than nomadic. Once Rayek figured out hunting, food wasn't as much of a problem. When the Wolfriders arrived and doubled the population, there might have been a temporary strain in the food supply. But the Wolfriders are very effective hunters and Redlance sparked a one-man agricultural revolution.

Wolfriders have to be thin. If they didn't, they would fall out of their trees, and their wolves would be swayback. Elves in general look horribly undernourished by Troll standards, but the better of us accept the fact that they are attractive to their own race. We have no use for that whole Atkins diet hogwash.

Aldar

Or, maybe she's just pregnant. Wink

Foxeye

Maybe...but her face and arms were plump too in book 1 and in later shots. We didn't see Leetah plump up in anywhere but her tummy when she was carrying the twins.

When I was looking through book 2 the other day, I actually saw several more shots of sun villagers who were plump, though not as much as the baker. It was only starting in book 5 on that the sun villagers discovered dieting. That was around the time Mender was born and came into his powers...maybe he discovered how to do elven liposuction.

Aldar

I was just spammin'. Wink

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Foxeye

That was around the time Mender was born and came into his powers...maybe he discovered how to do elven liposuction.


Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Minouche

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Kathleen

Oh, come on, someone had to do it.

I love the baker. She's sweet, plump, and hell, she bakes. She's practically my dream girl.


Kathleen, you made my day. I've moaned my plumpness for years and never took my baking as a source of pride. This is a nice day starting for me, I feel a bit worthier.

Goodberry

And here I've got my sourdough starter currently proofing on top of the fridge. I was making a loaf tomorrow. Grin

I totally agree with Trollbabe. These are agrarian people who are settled and without enemies. It makes sense that a few of the more sedentary villagers would be pleasantly plump.

Shenshen always struck me as someone who ought to be chubby, probably because of her bubbly personality. She and Leetah are both curvy (in comparison to the bony Wolfriders), so I guess that's close enough.

emerald

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Goodberry

She and Leetah are both curvy (in comparison to the bony Wolfriders)



And that's one of the reason's I identify with Leetah so much! We have nearly the exact same body shape! :P

Willowspring

[quote:12f2368494="emerald"][quote:12f2368494="Goodberry"] She and Leetah are both curvy (in comparison to the bony Wolfriders)[/quote:12f2368494]

[color=blue:12f2368494]And that's one of the reason's I identify with Leetah so much! We have nearly the exact same body shape! :P [/color:12f2368494][/quote:12f2368494]

And having seen her(emerald) with a bathing suit top... wowza! :D

Gazelle

[quote:47b8312e4b="PCoquelin"]
Now, I shut up or someone wicked will surely post some of those pix...
:idea: :arrow: :arrow: Wink[/quote:47b8312e4b]

I wanna see!

emerald

[quote:5227fc4c35="Willowspring"][quote:5227fc4c35="emerald"][quote:5227fc4c35="Goodberry"] She and Leetah are both curvy (in comparison to the bony Wolfriders)[/quote:5227fc4c35]

[color=blue:5227fc4c35]And that's one of the reason's I identify with Leetah so much! We have nearly the exact same body shape! :P [/color:5227fc4c35][/quote:5227fc4c35]

And having seen her(emerald) with a bathing suit top... wowza! :D[/quote:5227fc4c35]
:oops: Wink

Trollbabe

Aldar, are you saying the Baker has a bun in the oven?

Aldar

That's exactly what I'm saying. 8)

Nowth

[quote:9b1f358b83="Trollbabe"]Aldar, are you saying the Baker has a bun in the oven?[/quote:9b1f358b83]
:spit:

Trollbabe

This gives us a variety of options for naming the baby, depending upon the identity of the father.

"Frosting" if it's a Go-Back.
"Bear Claw" if it's a Wolfrider.
"Crumb" if it's Rayek.
"Fruitcake" if it's Two-Edge.

You get the idea...

Aldar

God, I hope she had a fling with a Go-Back.

Trollbabe

Yes, the secret's out. The Baker's lovemate was Chot. She bakes, he's a glutton.

I know it sounds flaky, but from the moment they met, she was really hot for him. She showed restraint, she was no tart. All she had to do was batter eyes at him.

Beneath his crusty exterior, he knew he kneaded her. Everybody said they ferment for each other - "Soul meants soul when pies meat pies." It wasn't long before a child was bread.

Nowth

*shoves you in a boxing ring with punmeister Richard and runs far, far away*

Aldar

*sighs* Trollbabe, you make it sound so romantic. Gives me a sudden urge to go bake.

Trollbabe

If you're in the continental U.S. this week, you probably will bake. It's a scorcher out there. We Trolls stay deep in our dens.

EmberNightfall

Wow, Trollbabe, that was impressive.....and my husband calls *me* Attila the Pun. I'll have to have him read that. 8)

Songflower

LOL, Trollbabe, you're on a "roll" today...

:-D

Trollbabe

"Ugly" is really a cultural term. Elves are drawn kind of by manga/anime standards of beauty, which means fragile bodies and big eyes. See http://witcombe.sbc.edu/willendorf/willendorfdiscovery.html for an idea of standards of feminine beauty in prehistoric times.

Nowth

Well... wow. It hadn't occured to me that the Venus of Willendorf might have been named so in jest. It seems rather juvenile and unprofessional... I thought it was in simple recognition of her as a possible stone-age analogue to the more recent goddess. And I never had any of these reactions to the thus-named statuette that the article insinuates.

Trollbabe

Actually I did not read the article. Just looked for the handiest picture of an icon I recall from Art class.

Foxeye

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Trollbabe

Actually I did not read the article. Just looked for the handiest picture of an icon I recall from Art class.



:roll: @ myself

And here I was waiting for the conclusion in the article that the venus icons were prehistoric pr0n. (You did say it was an example of a beauty standard in prehistoric time.)

Trollbabe

I just know that, if you study "Western" art, the skinny waif look for women is a fairly recent one.

EmberNightfall

[quote:8b0dd30f8c="Trollbabe"]I just know that, if you study "Western" art, the skinny waif look for women is a fairly recent one.[/quote:8b0dd30f8c]

:spam:

quite true, and while I (under the luck of good genes, and little doing of my own) am small of stature and size, i think it's sick that any girl bigger than me has been raised by society to think they should be my size when nature didn't intend it. It's just as unhealthy to be underweight as it is to be overweight (i've been there, and it scared the hell out of me)....but i better get off my soap box before i get rolling. ;) most people don't want to hear a skinny girls opinion of size anyway, or so has been my experience so far

Kitt

[color=green:87731ab5af]I'm with you, EmberNight. Especially in the toothpick skinny models inc. society we live in nowadays, folks tend to think that that image is healthy but, it's not. I am considered underweight, but, it's certainly not because I don't eat (Lord knows I can eat! :P ) ...although, my older sister thinks I have a phobia of becoming heavy :( She's a psychologist. Anyhoo, back to the baker :D

...I wonder how she got as rotund as she did. ...perhaps she IS the village baker? NOT THAT ALL BAKERS ARE HEFTY! My mother was a baker and she was beautiful and fit! My father is also a baker, but he's a little big ONLY because of the medication he has to take. It makes him retain a lot of fluid. But, looking at pictures of him when he was younger, he was REALLY small. ...and still a baker :) So...I'm wondering why the baker is pleasantly plump. Also, do you think she had a lifemate or children??[/color:87731ab5af]

Gazelle

O.o, nice thought Kitt!

I'm torn between thinking she has a lifemate and two children because for some reason she seems to be as beng a motherly person, and whether she has a lifemate and no children, but nurses the village kids anyway...

I like the Baker!

Trollbabe

Ember, I have noticed that underweight people get little sympathy from the rest of society. Recently I heard some overweight women giving a tall, slender woman a hard time about her eating habits - how does she put away all that food and not gain an ounce? At this point she calmy revealed that part of her digestive tract had to be removed in major surgery - that made the other women shut up, if only for a moment, but it was none of their business anyway! I also knew a slender, attractive blonde who had trouble gaining weight. (She even lost a few pounds when she became pregnant with her first child, which is not a good thing.) Women who would never think of pointing out that someone was overweight would call her "skinny."

From what I gather, it is hard to lose extra weight, but harder to put it on if you are underweight. Yet you get so little sympathy.

EmberNightfall

trollbabe: yeah, i've gotten to where I don't talk about it very much (unless someone opens a door, apology for the rant about to happen), i was severely underweight for a time due to depression. And I never really realized that I had such a large problem gaining until I thought i'd gained it back and found out I was still 10 pounds under. I felt like a skeleton, and it makes me wonder how anyone can do that on purpose (anorexia, bulemia, etc). hehe, another little soapbox, a lot of people also have this insane idea that skinny people have no fat. When I was 10 pounds under, my body mass index was around 30, the healty index for women is 20-25. (we had a health fair where i worked, they used a little machine that read something from my arm and compared it to my weight and height). So i was extremely unhealthy, and had lost a lot of muscle mass. I did finally get back to where i was before the problem (and i've balanced out, i've gotten a lot of my muscle back), and i've realized that this is the weight i need to be at....anything else i gain needs to be muscle. People forget that it's as much to do with excercise as it does with food.

my aunt had her entire large intestine removed and until she hit menopause (warning for all us women out there who haven't hit "the change" yet), she was smaller than me. Now she's about a 6 in US sizes. She'd always had a very hard time gaining weight beforehand too.

my opinion of what the models ought to look like, now that's a healty woman!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo

Viva la Baker!
(the poor woman, we keep spamming her thread)

Trollbabe

It occurs to me, the label "bread" is attached to products made from a number of vegetables, not just grains. "Bread", leavened and unleavened, can be made from many starchy fruits or roots, as we Trolls have discovered. So, what did the baker use to make her fresh-baked bread? I don't recall seeing any large grain fields surrounding the Sun Village.

Reminds me, we rented "Children of the Corn" this weekend - Yes, it is "corny" by modern standards!

Thaïs

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Trollbabe

So, what did the baker use to make her fresh-baked bread? I don't recall seeing any large grain fields surrounding the Sun Village.

Reminds me, we rented "Children of the Corn" this weekend - Yes, it is "corny" by modern standards!



Trollbabe, you answered your own question! There's a ton of different cornbreads that are made without wheat, rye, or other grains. All it takes is some water, butter, and an egg.

My question is where does the Baker get the eggs from!? Has anyone seen a chicken-style critter in Sorrow's End?

Nowth

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Foxeye

[quote:810b18fa16="Trollbabe"]Actually I did not read the article. Just looked for the handiest picture of an icon I recall from Art class.



:roll: @ myself

And here I was waiting for the conclusion in the article that the venus icons were prehistoric pr0n. (You did say it was an example of a beauty standard in prehistoric time.)[/quote:810b18fa16]
Are you kidding or not? I'm not sure. Because some time ago I read an article that surmised that they were exactly that: portable porn. Seems it depends on who's doing the interpreting. To some it's proof of goddess worship, to others it's just porn. (I could imagine it's both at the same time, to a culture that doesn't mix sexuality and contempt as much as ours. Or that doesn't differentiate between reverence and desire. Or whatever. I could write lots more but I suppose I should spend some time thinking about it first.)

Foxeye

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Nowth

[quote:ea359635be="Foxeye"][quote:ea359635be="Trollbabe"]Actually I did not read the article. Just looked for the handiest picture of an icon I recall from Art class.



:roll: @ myself

And here I was waiting for the conclusion in the article that the venus icons were prehistoric pr0n. (You did say it was an example of a beauty standard in prehistoric time.)[/quote:ea359635be]
Are you kidding or not? I'm not sure.[/quote:ea359635be]

I was definitely serious. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if humans have had porn as long as we've been self-aware.

lunakat

Well, you know what they say...

one man's "goddess on a pedastal" is another man's sex fantasy

(or something like that...) :P

Nowth

Or one man's sex fantasy is a goddess on a pedestal?

lunakat

exactly!

Minouche

many men fancy obese woman. I got ditched by my husband of 12 years for not being fat enough (only 240 lbs for 5'7'') and promptly replaced by a 5'4'' 300 lbs. lady. Still, although I consider myself extremely overweight, a lot of guys court me. It really feels weird to me.

Suzene

OK, time to break out the books. ;)

Just before young Leetah heals Rayek's maimed arm, one of the villagers is encouraging her to dance the grain up out of the ground, so presumably the Sun Village has some access to grain

Savah also likened Cutter to a fighting cockrel, so they do at least know what chickens are, or maybe they gather eggs from desert-dwelling birds. I think that animal fats or oil can be used in some bread instead of eggs, but I'm not sure. Any bakers wanna field that one?

Nowth

Eggs for making bread?

Suzene

[quote:18d8edf7c1="Nowth"]Eggs for making bread?[/quote:18d8edf7c1]

Someone brought up eggs. Dammit, Nowth, I'm a nit-picker, not a baker! Wink

Minouche

that's for corn bread, zucchini bread, banana bread: they're more cake than bread actually. Other than than you can make bread with ferns and ground nuts (very bitter, but that was the stapple in Europe during famine). The usual way requires (some sort of) grain, water and yeast. We don't know really what grows on that planet. Maybe they can make bread out of the "squat needle root" Rayek so disliked as a child.

Nowth

[quote:f44bcfc063="Suzene"][quote:f44bcfc063="Nowth"]Eggs for making bread?[/quote:f44bcfc063]

Someone brought up eggs. Dammit, Nowth, I'm a nit-picker, not a baker! Wink[/quote:f44bcfc063]

Just like me, then :P

Trollbabe

I wonder if the desert-dwelling Baker ever made any kind of flatbread - Matzoh, pizza, tortillas, pita, crackers and the like. BTW there is a discussion of Elf quisine in "The Great Egg," no pun intended.

I recall my first pizzas - my mother would buy big pita breads at the local Arab village, and make them into thin-crust pizzas.

Minouche

for Passover, my kids make a mean kosher-for-passover Matzahpizza, fresh home made sauce (my second boy is a born chef- at least his Mom thinks so), olives (black green, and the rosy brown greek ones), bell peppers, mushrooms, grated cheese, and whatever else strikes their fancy, the whole on a matzah and then 1min in the microwave. I started that when they were little and they have taken over making them as soon as they were allowed to use the microwave oven. That and cream cheese on matzah are passover staples in my home. While the past week was more centered around apples and honey.

Kathleen

Biscuits, which are a type of unleavened bread, can be made from flour(of almost any kind), water and a kind of fat. If you like, you can add baking powder, but any lightness should arise from the method one uses of cutting in the fat and flour.

BTW, my food porcessor is about to arrive!!!!!!

BTW, guys, I know women of every size who are attractive. Slim, or curvey. All you really need to be, in order to be beautiful, is to be healthy, which, as scientists are discovering more and more, isn't limited to one bodyshape.

ALTENATELY, eating too much or too little for your OWN BODY'S needs is very bad!

Trollbabe

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BTW, my food porcessor is about to arrive!!!!!!



So, what have you made so far?

manga

Re: eggs. Shen-shen interrupted Cutter's little tete-a-tete in book one by announcing that she and her friends were off to hunt lizard eggs before it grew too hot.

Re: the kind of bread available in the Sun Village. The loaf that Pike stuck with his pike looked like sourdough to me. It was round and rounded. Whatever it was, it wasn't flat bread. As for why she sputtered about her "fresh baked bread" -- there's nothing as yummy as soft, fresh, still-warm-from-the-oven bread! It's still good but it's just not the same even a day later. :)

Re: chubby baker. "Never trust a skinny cook." ;)

Minouche

Don't try real French bread a day later: it has the consistency of a baseball bat

Allura

Because I can.

(I also didn't know the second one existed until I was looking through the books at Sun Villager outfits)

[img:0292d47e71]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/vaiya/Elfquest/RandomSunFolk05.jpg[/img:0292d47e71] [img:0292d47e71]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/vaiya/Elfquest/RandomSunFolk59.jpg[/img:0292d47e71]

Trollbabe

Maybe, in one of the yet-to-be-published Pini Files, the baker will have a name.

Minouche

those elves look pregnant!?!

Trollbabe

Well, as opposed to other female Sun Villagers and Wolfriders, who tend to have hourglass figures.

lunakat

they're just attractively chubby. Much like early Nightfall.

Trollbabe

With all due respect, I always thought the adult Cutter looked like a toothpaste tube that had been squeezed from the bottom up. All chest and Manga hair.

Startear

I wish we knew her name...

Embala

Let's see what shows:



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Because I can.



(I also didn't know the second one existed until I was looking through the books at Sun Villager outfits)





Thornbrake

Trollbabe said: So, what did the baker use to make her fresh-baked bread? I don't recall seeing any large grain fields surrounding the Sun Village.


We definitely see crop fields in the Sun Village. And we know they grow a kind of corn.

Maleen Corn

Tavie

MOAR BAKERbaker

MrsGrizzley

She's me as an elf... fat and everything.

But yes, I think she needs more screen-time and a name. Damnit, the Baker needs a name!!

Embala

Baker fanart! YEAH for Tavie :D

RedheadEmber

THE BAKER WILL SAVE THE DAY!

Probably not very likely...

Thornbrake

Tavie said: MOAR BAKER


THIS

MrsGrizzley

Damnit... this and the Edible Elfquest thread are making me think about fanfic stories where she's fascinated by humans and the myriad ways they prepare food... possibly going out of her way to watch a human baker while he/she is preparing sweets for a festival...

GAAAHHHH!!!!! Damnitall... now the Baker's joined Petalwing as my personal favorites!!!

Songchaser

@MrsGrizzley are you referring to a fanfic that already exists, or one you plan to write?? I'd be interested in reading it!

MrsGrizzley

@Songchaser a fanfic that I'm likely going to be pressured by the characters into writing. I don't know how to justify it, though, given that the Sun Villagers are in the Palace and the Palace is with Cutter's Wolfriders, where the humans are nowhere near as culinarily adept as those where Ember's tribe is located.

Ooooh!!! Even better!!! She's baking something and it gets Shuna into talking about the sweets her MOTHER would bake for festivals before she died!

Gah! I'm going to have to write this. I just need a name for the Baker.

Tavie

MrsGrizzley said: Songchaser a fanfic that I'm likely going to be pressured by the characters into writing. I don't know how to justify it, though, given that the Sun Villagers are in the Palace and the Palace is with Cutter's Wolfriders, where the humans are nowhere near as culinarily adept as those where Ember's tribe is located.

Ooooh!!! Even better!!! She's baking something and it gets Shuna into talking about the sweets her MOTHER would bake for festivals before she died!

Gah! I'm going to have to write this. I just need a name for the Baker.


I would read the HELL out of this!

Also, YOU get to name her, which is awesome. Can't wait to see what you come up with!

Freethinker

Hmm. I'm curious if Wolfriders ate bread prior to encountering the sunfolk. Skywise is pretty adventurous!

I always did like this scene for some reason.

Heather

Freethinker said: Hmm. I'm curious if Wolfriders ate bread prior to encountering the sunfolk. Skywise is pretty adventurous!

I always did like this scene for some reason.

I wouldn't think they would have, unless they stole it from humans or got it from the trolls (and we don't know if trolls could make bread. Getting wheat, etc).
The Wolfriders were more hunter-gatherer. Not to mention, having a bread oven in a tree house is a bad idea!
But again, if they stole it from the humans, maybe. I could see that happening.

MrsGrizzley

Names... names... gah, I'm horrible with names... Even though I, like, nickname most of my Pokemon of late, but those are mostly joke names and stuff...

How about something playing off a word for "bread"? Panelah?

Thornbrake

LOVE Panelah!!!!!!

Tavie

MrsGrizzley said: How about something playing off a word for "bread"? Panelah?


PERFECT

MrsGrizzley

Well then, Panelah it is... now to get the gerbils moving in their wheels so I can try to write this darn thing... *chuckle*

RedheadEmber

So... would that translate to bread light?
We know 'ah' means 'ligt', right?

Tavie

RedheadEmber said: So... would that translate to bread light?


Tastes great, less calories!

Or is that bread lite?

Leanan

RedheadEmber said: So... would that translate to bread light?
We know 'ah' means 'ligt', right?


Well, 'paner' could mean something different in the elves' language.

MrsGrizzley

I was working from the idea of "pan"+"nel"+"ah"... along with the pun/similarity to "Pamela" so who the heck knows.

I mean, look at Ruffel, she was named for the ruffles in her clothes, but who knows what the actual name means in elfish.

I think in Panelah's case, though, she might view her bread-making as a way of providing light and life to those around her. Feeding the soul as she feeds the body. After all, elves cannot live by bread alone, but try and live without it and see what happens.

Startear

I was going for Mayeen in the crossover fic I am writing right now, but I like Panelah a lot, @MrsGrizzley! May I use it?

lunakat

I wrote a story about the baker once. I called her "Minyah"

http://www.elfquest.com/forums/discussion/7545/november-2011-grab-bag

lunakat

Was there already a Minyah? I can't remember...

Startear

Yes! Minyah's thread is here; http://www.elfquest.com/forums/discussion/3501/marvelous-minyah

Zeina

How did Minyah get all tall and slender? I thought she was short and plump. Is it one of the wonders of the palace?

btw - Love the story, Lunakat !!!

Embala

No, Minyah IS the tall and slender matured gardener from Original Quest #5.

The "Baker" (who never got an official name as far as I know) from OQ #2 is the comparably short and plump one.

Zeina

ahhhh, thanks for pointing that out. I was totally confused.

lunakat

I need to change the name in my story!

Zeina

Do we have a name for the baker then?

RedheadEmber

Zeina said: How did Minyah get all tall and slender? I thought she was short and plump. Is it one of the wonders of the palace?


Embala said: The "Baker" (who never got an official name as far as I know) from OQ #2 is the comparably short and plump one.


According the Sun-Toucher the Baker might very well end up being tall and slender.

Zeina

I think we should call her Loafa. She looks like an adorable little boule herself. It's too bad Sorrow's End folk don't have soul names...oh, the possibilities for this one :)

Zeina

I really want an Elfquest recipe book. They did one for Game Of Thrones and it was awesome and it's always got me thinking about food for elves. Wolfriders wouldn't really be included in it though, obviously.

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