RedheadEmber said: But if there at some point ended up being a situation where a character having two biological fathers would make sense - in-story - then you'd be fine with it?
lunakat said: Say.. does anyone know if Mantricker ever recognized? We know that Willowgreen and Greywolf had a baby and passed it off as Mantricker's-right? Was that Kahvi?
Tricky Mantricker tricks lunakat ^^
Maybe he's not pleased that we keep talking about other people in his thread.
Raenafel said: I don't see why 3 biological parents are impossible for the elves
That rules out the Cutter/Leetah/Skywise jink theory too!
Rob said: That rules out the Cutter/Leetah/Skywise jink theory too!
RichardPini said: There's a very big difference between a threesome and three contributions to a new life's genetic material! The former, we've already seen. The latter, we never will. Because in EQ, it is impossible.
Guess that answers that question.
So... who is Mantricker's sire?
That's the question...
Is Mantricker the result of the Recognition we saw between Goodtree and Lionleaper in BoTC 9, or is he the result of another Recognition between Goodtree and Acorn?
In fact I've seen it mentioned that the result of the Goodtree-Lionleaper was a girl named Speedwell, who was the ancestor of Redlance, but of course even if that was true (and nothing to indicate it isn't) then Mantricker might just as well have been the result of another Recognition between Goodtree and Lionleaper.
Off-topic: How did Lionleaper get his name? Did he leap like a lion, or leap over lions?
Guess the first is more likely...
I think Mantricker was born in a second recognition by Acorn :)
Did she recognize Acorn? That would be odd, wouldn't it? To recognize a different elf. It usually seems that, if a mom has more than one kid by recognition, it has usually been by the same father (if he's still alive)... though I guess that Joyleaf and Bearclaw both had had recognitions before they made Cutter... and not with eachother. It would be oddly neat and tidy if Acorn happened to be her second.
Wait, what? Joyleaf and Bearclaw had recognitions with other elves before they recognized?
Yes. Reread Wolfrider. In Bearclaw's case, at least, the babies and the baby mamas all died.
Damn, I really do need to reread it.
lunakat said: Yes. Reread Wolfrider. In Bearclaw's case, at least, the babies and the baby mamas all died.
"Although it is the last recognition for both..."
That sort of implies there have been others... for both.
And this confirms it has been one of many lifematings and babymakings for Bearclaw:
"The faces of lifemates and cubs he has lost now loom before him in sharp
You are right though- there is no confirmation that Joyleaf had other babies or was recognized before. The first line does carry that implication- but it has an out, because it's just implication. The second line, about Bearclaw, is pretty clear.
So I guess Richard's old comment really was just Richard being... well... Richard...
Well... it's possible that they left themselves an out regarding Joyleaf... and later decided that only Bearclaw had had previous lifemates and cubs.
He might have meant: "When Joyleaf talked about how 'when it happens to you and I, old bear, it'll be your last' she simply meant that it would be his last."
But, like, seriously- why would she say that if there hadn't been others? Right?
(Also- ack! 'You and me!')
lunakat said: Well... it's possible that they left themselves an out regarding Joyleaf... and later decided that only Bearclaw had had previous lifemates and cubs.
Yeah... but they didn't say "it would be the only one for both"- they said "it would be the last" which implies others.
Also- in the second link- it specifically says he had others.
lunakat said: Yeah... but they didn't say "it would be the only one for both"- they said "it would be the last" which implies others.
I think both Joyleaf and Bearclaw recognized other elves. I think "It is the last time/recognition for both" cant really be explained in any other way.
Why wouldn't they recognize others before (or even after) they became lovemates ?
Recognition is for making sure the child thas the best genes possible to survive, not for everlasting love.
Where does the idea that two elves recognize only eachother come from?
Maybe the present elves haven't recognized more than one other elf, but the earlier wolfriders and the firstcommers did.
Timmorn, Zarhan, Rahnee,Rella, Talen, Greywolf, Freefoot are the ones I remember from the top of my head without reading Botc.
I always wondered about that as well. Like how the older elves recognized multiple times, maybe due to keeping up their numbers, etc.
Is it that this is no longer really required that there aren't multiple recognitions happening anymore? Is it being within the vicinity of the Palace? Actually, since the Go Backs were closest TO the Palace in the first place, they seemed to have no recognition and I realize it was partly due to Two Spear being contemptuous of it in the first place and then later, Khavi being the same. The same attitude toward healers, who also tend help along recognition.
But does being close to the Palace also cause some kind of stagnation so that recognition is no longer needed ?
travelbug said: I think both Joyleaf and Bearclaw recognized other elves. I think "It is the last time/recognition for both" cant really be explained in any other way.